96aead No.4
ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!
06cf1f No.6
Hey, everyone! Originally I had a big wall of text that I typed up as a landing area for outsiders coming here and an introduction to /hsn/, but my dumb ass lost it to a rogue CTRL+C, and it was honestly a bit rich anyway, so I'd like to talk to you a little more directly in a (1/?) format. I'll get the gloomy stuff out of the way first.
I don't know if I'm the only person who was really, really affected by seeing how brutally 4chan janitors and mods have fucked up Homestuck discussion on /v/ and /co/ this past year, but anyone who's been present in the monthly stealth threads before or after the name "Homestealth" started cropping up knows that it was kind of like seeing a miracle baby being born and then having its head shoved back into it's mother's uterus. What's been happening there is, by all means, the succession of classic /hsg/, the beginning of something extremely compelling, and the best subculture to come out of the image board sphere in a very long time.
06cf1f No.7
>>6(2/?)
I'm new to Megidochan, and, by all means, still haven't perfectly found my sea-legs when it comes to actually using image boards (I didn't know how to make a new thread here using the index, yeesh) despite having been on 4chan for over a decade now. /hot/ isn't intended to be a replacement for our /hsg/, nor is /hsn/. The reason I'm doing this is because the Homestuck threads on /v/ that have been picking up more and more steam over the last year are the most fun I've had on an image board in a very long time, something I'm sure many of you can sympathize with, and that's brought me and a lot of other anons some much-needed warmth in increasingly desperate times. It rent my heart to see 4chan mods intentionally rip those threads to pieces and completely crush the spirits of everyone involved; it was a calculated, intentional act of petty revenge, and the splintering and depression it caused was palpable. Nothing could ever feel truly stable when staff could take out hundreds of replies in an instant, and while that sense of danger provided excitement to a certain extent, it can't replace what those threads were actually supposed to be for.
06cf1f No.9
>>7(3/3)
This general won't go steady immediately, nor will it recoup all those losses in one day, but I made it to ensure not just the remnants of /hsg/, not just the survivors of Homestealth, but in totality, every Homestuck on the internet that feels crushed by the wider awfulness of the normalfags affronting Homestuck as a project from both inside and out - astroturfers suffocating the threads on /v/ and /co/, attention-whoring Youtubers, shitty fake fans and production staff - /hsn/ will ensure that all the people running from these things have at least one place on the internet worth attending. I will do everything I can to reassemble the broken pieces of image board culture's Homestuck community into something as great as all that has come before, and hopefully unify everyone on the deeper internet with a house-shaped hole in their heart into a house-shaped thread that will fill the void, at least to some extent.
I'm very underslept and can't really find the words to convey myself without being this level of saccharine, so I'll just leave it at this for now: welcome to /hsn/. And. Yeah. It's called Homesteatlh NOT! because we do NOT! have to be stealthy any more.
Cheers to the first 1025 posts.
8465f4 No.12
>>3You're a stupid fucking cunt.
8465f4 No.14
>>3>>6>>7>>12Hypnobab, let me try to put in best of terms of what I wanted this board to be before MEX had the misfortune of letting you shart out a general thread and why that made me angwy.
The way I see it, if we keep it this broad and this lazy, barely anyone is going to come and no one is going to stay. If I were to have launched the board, the rules and introduction would have been a lot more thorough.
It's your baby right now though, and you're free to do whatever the fuck you want with it, I just don't think it'll end well.
What I had wanted is a Homestuck community that wasn't like anywhere else
Biznasty on RIGOR and REASON that was actually critical of the comic unlike Funk McLovin or Fridgestuck's mindless self-indulgence.
Right now, it's fucked, I'm not going to edit the sticky and rules, but I would have wanted this basically to be Homestuck Hermeneutics General (HHG) with the following things emphasized:
>"Here's what we know about Homestuck's general process" (Very basic example, well-known; Hu¢¢ie had no real, written plans with the story)
>"Here's what we know influenced certain story decisions" (Bowman said that Toby was the one that introduced Hu¢¢ie to Rachel/Softowl, his girlfriend for some time. She was the one that Hu¢¢ie found inspiration to launch Hiveswap. Biznasty on this and the fact that Toby literally named Alternia, we can come to the conclusion that Toby, Softowl, and Hu¢¢ie were the major creative forces behind Alternia and its world-building.)
>"Here are some general patterns" (Hu¢¢ie has a tendency to reuse and remix character premises; he babbles in the commentaries about this being some embodiment of Platonic Idealism which is bullshit but okay.)
>"Here are some broad influences" (Hu¢¢ie was enamored with LOST and its Mystery Boxisms. This obviously influenced his "first" attempt at real, serious writing in a lot of ways.)
>(Outside of the direct text, Hu¢¢ie had an inner circle of friends that strongly influenced the story. I've come to suspect that certain things, like the initial troll names- which did not follow a pattern like the Beta Kid name choices and were seemingly "random-, were basically hand-picked by Hu¢¢ie himself and then lionized to the public by someone in the inner-circle suggesting it even though it was always going to be the name.)But it's not to be and all my ramblings about what Homestuck could have been and what APPEARS to have been the path Hu¢¢ie strayed from with all the mentions of Jung, alchemy, and structuralism simply just being an understated part of whatever you want this to be because I'll accept you as the B.M.O.C here.
96aead No.15
>>14I don't understand how the first couple posts of this thread prevent this from happening. there's a whole board, you don't even need a general for any of these "critical" discussions to happen. I wasn't expecting there to even be a general, to be honest
8465f4 No.16
>>15>I don't understand how the first couple posts of this thread prevent this from happeningBecause it's the foundation that there lay. I was planning on writing something rather extensive. If it's the only thing that's here, that's the board. If it's not, it's getting ignored.
I digress.
96aead No.17
>>16I believe in you, anon. you can still write it
8465f4 No.18
>>17I have no motivation to write it now. And it is ultimately still a group effort.
06cf1f No.19
i can still take a crack at making HHG, if you want, although i don’t see why you can’t
8465f4 No.20
>>19>if you want, although i don’t see why you can’tI would want to be exhaustive with my example questions. Ideally, much more than one example. Hu¢¢ie's inner-circle and all of the things we can (within reason) pin some degree of influence on Homestuck would be exhausting in itself. And that's just recollecting the stuff I think I know about.
I would also want to put certain chronological bullet points of BIG problems I have with Homestuck into the opening which again, takes some time.
And I only alluded to the "reconstructive" theses that I would want to be central, if only for vanity's sake.
I have a lot of writing (two word docs- one a truncated version that aims for a hypothetical version of Homestuck that solves the "main" problems) and a lot of shitty infographics.
Hypnofag, let me refocus the conversation for a second, will you make the nature of your project clear? Is it going to be in the style of an MSPFA or no; how's that for a start?
06cf1f No.23
>>22the raid is over and i'm back
you're pushing rule 5. i don't want to be draconian but i'm not letting this thread turn into shitstirring immediately. go work on your hermeneutics thread if you want to help the site
8465f4 No.24
>>23This isn't an outside grudge and we're both literally mods.
I was literally giving you an opening to express yourself. Why are you so damn prickly?
06cf1f No.25
>>24alright, whatever
something you should know about me is that i have more or less infinite ideas for creative projects. it's been my main thing since i was literally a toddler and if you were to try to put a number on the amount of projects i've ever been interested in, it would number in the four digits easilyhowever, if we're talking projects i'm brainstorming for in the time period "of the now", to put it ED-style, i could probably list about six larger projects i want to try. one of them is a traditional MSPFA; i've been bouncing back and forth as to whether i want to take the constraints off fully and just do whatever i feel like with it, or attempt it as a reverse-engineering of the original Homestuck run with an analogous set of schema and systems, but there are a few problems with that, like my lack of experience with higher-level Photoshop editing (along with only having access to CS2, but all of MSPFA does as well) and the fact that i struggle with the mechanics of the inventory system and alchemy because i'm not a mathbrain beyond my ability to work with symbols, so maybe i could have when i was 12 if i practiced enough, but not now
i think for the sake of ease, my first project will be something more like Jailbreak and i can probably run it on the creative board here whenever that goes live
8465f4 No.26
>>25It might be because I'm burnt out for the stalker shitfit but I'm drawing a blank now.
There's a way to work my ideas into helping you accomplish your thing but… ugh… whatever right now…
8465f4 No.28
>>27Something funny, jackass?
8465f4 No.29
>>27>>28It's so fucking easy for a dumb motherfucker to laugh and guffaw at how ostentatious those concepts seem in relation to Homestuck but let's go back to early Hu¢¢ie's elevator pitch about "an elaborate creation mythos involving lot of time travel"; verbatim, 2010.
First of all, there's alchemy in the fucking comic so I don't think evoking specific concepts of alchemy is that big of a stretch on any level. Jung wrote extensively about alchemy and its symbolism. Jung and structuralist shared a baseline thought that "[SIC] mythos was an innate way of understanding the world" and Jung tackled the individual and collective psychology of this while structuralism aimed to categorize and analyze the ways human pattern things.
Now, tell me, do you have any legitimate grievances in relating to these to Homestuck or is it just "not that deep bwo" so you can never make it "deep." Does your retarded ass care about anything other than his
homosexualy ships?
06cf1f No.30
>>29no one cares about dead psychologists’ opinions of the world
208020 No.31
so is the godtier death determining clock a juju or no
8465f4 No.32
>>30>Le no one cares about dead white guysRetarded, go roll in the mud.
8465f4 No.33
>>31Yes, that's presumably why the crowbar was used (though it was probably intended to be more important.)
8465f4 No.35
>>34He's the hater for replying to desires for creative reconstruction with "I can't believe how stupid old philosophers were.
The older the dumber." tier investment.
8465f4 No.37
>>36I tend not to remember exact instances of Homestuck dialogue because it's mostly retarded and unfunny even if particular instances are funny, your eyes perpetually rolling over does a lot to your long-term memory.
06cf1f No.39
>>35enjoy getting told to take your meds every time you have an original thought on one of these fucking websites
8465f4 No.40
>>39Enjoy being a dumb fuck and me calling you a dumb fuck then.
06cf1f No.41
John.
Would you like me to put you to sleep?
8465f4 No.42
>>41Homestuck discussion!
8465f4 No.43
And now remember what I said about Homestealthers.
033bd8 No.44
>>31>>33ohh shit huh
i never thought about it like that
i thought it was just some pure
metaphorical thing i guess.
8465f4 No.45
>>44Nothing in Homestuck is purely metaphorical because good writers can be satisfied with pure metaphor.
208020 No.46
>>33>>44i thought it was stated somewhere that the juju breaker also undoes the effects of the juju but i could be wrong, the clock is just strange in general its also the origin of the magic cueball and stuff
06cf1f No.47
>>43you failed the stealth check
8465f4 No.48
>>46>i thought it was stated somewhere that the juju breaker also undoes the effects of the juju but i could be wrongFrankly, I'm not sure of that but don't expect Andy Jr. to remember such a thing because the crowbar itself basically turned into an afterthought.
>the clock is just strange in general its also the origin of the magic cueball and stuffKnowing the general complications with the animators, it could be that Caliborn destroying the clock was from another draft of the ending where he effectively undoes the creation of Lord English himself in attempt to prevent his own defeat with something similar to what Aranea's plan happening was. That's just speculation though. And I'm someone who tends to say a lot of speculation as fact so yeah, take that with a grain of salt.
>>47Har har.
06cf1f No.50
considering making an updated version of the Hu¢¢ie tier list with EVERYTHING instead of, like, 30 things
8465f4 No.51
>>50You mean the power tier list…? You're that guy?
06cf1f No.52
>>51no, just a tier list of everything he's ever made or worked on
8465f4 No.53
>>52"Everything below C except for Problem Sleuth"
06cf1f No.54
>>53Problem Sleuth is not better than Homestuck and i genuinely believe people who think that are normalfags with a grudge against Andrew
033bd8 No.55
>>53my friend who hasn't read homestuck recently read problem sleuth and said that she "cheered" at the ending
i had no idea it was like some great thing. maybe i should go back and read it.
06cf1f No.56
>>55it's definitely one of his stronger projects, but people hype it up as being better than Homestuck because the lore-heaviness and fetishism present in Homestuck disturb them. the only thing Problem Sleuth did objectively better than Homestuck is not compromise on its vision
8465f4 No.57
>>54>Problem Sleuth is not better than Homestuck"Yes, it is."
>normalfags Why is that your buzzword of choice? The fuck does it even mean in this context?
>>55It's not some great thing. That's what makes it good. Girls are fucking stupid.
Problem Sleuth is just an enjoyable farce. Homestuck is a monotonous hodgepodge with character writing that made me grit my teeth at the best of times.
>>56> because the lore-heaviness and fetishism present in Homestuck disturb them.That's quite a way to put something incorrectly.
033bd8 No.58
>>57>character writing that made me grit my teeth at the best of times.i think where character writing is actually done its pretty decent. from my pov moreso the problem is that huššie isnt very good, or thinks he isnt very good, at developing characters longer term, and so he just constantly introduces new ones that never really get developed and kills off old ones.
8465f4 No.61
>>58When there's narrator POV commentary, yes, sure, but the pervasive smarminess is a little much, even compared to Problem Sleuth.
This and general character-writing get worse as the comic go on.
>>59>>60Is this your shitty, fucked up idiosyncratic "gotcha" because I really couldn't less of a fuck that my opinion is tangentially related to some dipshit on YouTube.
033bd8 No.63
>>61>narrator POV commentaryi like when characters get into like feelings jams and shit too tho
8465f4 No.64
>>63Those are almost unanimously completely terrible except for the post-Trickster one which is ironically, the most hated one (besides the Dave/Dirk one.)
I can pick apart each and every one of those (including the post-Trickster one.)
033bd8 No.65
>>64ok well maybe i kinda like them :( and actually maybe they were some of my favorite bits :(
8465f4 No.66
>>65I'm sorry to tell you that the most favorable read of that is you were desperately grasping at straws for substantial character content so you put your blinders on for all context.
033bd8 No.67
>>66you might be right but hey i still enjoyed it
e7f575 No.68
Has Sturdy been informed of this yet?
I know "they don't want to talk about Homestuck" and all
8465f4 No.69
>>68No, and fuck them. I don't even think the Anons that remember particularly cared for my presence and that'd be the "biggest draw" in the hugest fucking quotes I can fathom.
345ba9 No.70
>>29You're writing a high school essay about "themes" because you think it makes you sound smart, which is funny. No one cares about how random bullshit concepts some dead kike made up "relate to" a story. Hu¢¢ie was not directly inspired by these ideas and linking them together doesn't clarify anything or add anything to the story. Go make a video essay about it so other retards can feel like erudite geniuses for having a surface level understanding of philosophy.
8465f4 No.71
>>70>You're writing a high school essay about "themes" because you think it makes you sound smart, which is funny.No, these are definitive ways to structure something- Homestuck, a story, with an innate fucking structure to it- that being the videogame that controls reality desperately requires some kind of framework for ideas for it to function as a story. It's not necessary that these functions convey a greater purpose (that are inspired by philosophy, psychology, and sociology) but they easily lead into that and so..?
>Hu¢¢ie was not directly inspired by these ideasDebatable, frankly, but that much is tenuous. The point is to make it less tenuous.
>linking them together doesn't clarify anything or add anything to the story. Absolutely retarded stance to take. Please tell me the specifics of Jungian alchemy and structuralism. Do you know what they are? Or are ideas from philosophers and intellectuals just not worth adding inherently because "uh you'd have to change the story around a bit" Do tell me the depths of your disagreement. I'm sure it's as well-founded as my investment.
>Go make a video essay about it so other retards can feel like erudite geniuses for having a surface level understanding of philosophy.As opposed to your knee-jerk anti-intellectualism.
96aead No.72
>>70>Hu¢¢ie was not directly inspired by these ideaslots of people culturally absorb patterns and ideas and include them in their work without necessarily being aware of that. so these frameworks can sometimes serve as a valuable lens to analyze the work regardless of intentionality imo
8465f4 No.73
>>70Also, neither Jung nor Saussure were Jewish so unless kike means to you "Swiss", I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>THEMES BAD>CONCEPTS BAD>I'VE SEEN MINDLESS SELF-INDULGENCE BEFORE SO HAVING ANY INTELLECTUAL INFLUENCE ON YOUR STORY IS BAD EVEN IF THERE'S A CLEAR THROUGH-LINE CONNECTING ALL OF THEM AND IT SERVES A CLEAR NARRATIVE PURPOSE. Neck yourself, you fucking simpleton.
8465f4 No.75
And I could explain the rationale but if the automatic reaction is "XD" and I had to use excerpts that's just prime for prodding because "uhhh its not that deep bwo" and I would drive a car into your house before actually getting into the main point.
8465f4 No.76
>>74By who? Fucking Belgians?
8465f4 No.78
>>77Imagine undermining the importance of Scandinavia and Germany in philosophy. What are you left with? The French and Russian? Don't make me vomit.
8465f4 No.79
>>78DURR HURR, SWITZERLAND ISN'T A PART OF SCANDINAVIA, CLASSIC STUPID FUCKING AMERICAN
8465f4 No.80
Too angry to see straight. I know you don't have shit. You just have smug
bullshit on your side.
8465f4 No.82
I said Switzerland was a part of Scandinavia so feel free to dismiss literally any of my ideas on how you could use these things to improve Homestuck as completely baseless and ill-founded because of the faux-pas
>>81"durrhurr fuck jung that jew xD"
8465f4 No.84
>>83I know, and fuck them, they're fucking retarded.
345ba9 No.85
>>71>>73>No, these are definitive ways to structure something- Homestuck, a story, with an innate fucking structure to it- that being the videogame that controls reality desperately requires some kind of framework for ideas for it to function as a story.Meaningless nonsense.
>The point is to make it less tenuous.…why bother?
>Please tell me the specifics of Jungian alchemy and structuralism. Do you know what they are?You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You only started reading an introductory PDF about "structuralism" last month.
>>>/hsg/51234Only a retarded poser thinks they understand "the specifics of" philosophy and that philosophy can be "added" to something.
>>THEMES BAD"Analysing themes" is a retarded waste of time.
>>THERE'S A CLEAR THROUGH-LINE CONNECTING ALL OF THEM AND IT SERVES A CLEAR NARRATIVE PURPOSEThat isn't true. You want it to be true because it would make you a genius intellectual guy who saw the deep philosophical patterns that no one else can understand because they didn't read 1.5 chapters of a PDF.
>>72>these frameworks can sometimes serve as a valuable lens Is there any valuable insight here? I haven't seen anything beyond "this RANDOM WORD is LINKED to Homestuck".
If there was anything material worth discussing then I'm sure he could use plain English to explain it. As opposed to just mentioning fancy words and hinting at deep understanding. Perhaps he could make an offhand reference to a philosophical term to add context. But "hurr guys I just discovered a written story from a culture is linked to a theory that tries to explain all of language and culture" is retarded.
033bd8 No.86
>>85analyzing themes sounds pretty cool to me!!
8465f4 No.87
>>85>Meaningless nonsense.Reductive. The story is about alchemy and a structure. These broad concepts relate to people and how they relate to a very observable abstract structure.
>…why bother?Cool response.
>Only a retarded poser thinks they understand "the specifics of" philosophy and that philosophy can be "added" to something.It's a reconstruction. It's not the same comic.
>"Analysing themes" is a retarded waste of time.Retarded sentence. "Analyzing characters is a waste of time."
>That isn't true.Yes, it fucking is. I alluded as much with
>but let's go back to early Hu¢¢ie's elevator pitch about "an elaborate creation mythos involving lot of time travel"; verbatim, 2010.>Jung and structuralist shared a baseline thought that "[SIC] mythos was an innate way of understanding the world" and Jung tackled the individual and collective psychology of this while structuralism aimed to categorize and analyze the ways human pattern things.>Is there any valuable insight here?I've written about before. Maybe keep an open mind before seeing WORDS and instinctively going into flight-or-fight ("As opposed to just mentioning fancy words." " But "hurr guys I just discovered a written story from a culture is linked to a theory that tries to explain all of language and culture" is retarded." UGH, IT MUST BE BULLSHIT, MY FIRST INSTINCT MUST BE TO TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF INSTEAD OF ASKING HIM TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF.)
Like, let's stop here. Is reverse-engineering a story like this always fucking retarded and beneath you or not? If it is, I won't bother to compose myself because it's going on deaf ears. If it isn't, fuck you for responding like this in the first place.
8465f4 No.90
>>87And obviously this post is written like shit because I'm fuming.
8465f4 No.91
In short, I want a fucking apology.
033bd8 No.92
>>87i think analyzing both themes and characters sounds pretty cool guys!
8465f4 No.93
Also, I don't like to share my ideas in public because they're supposed to be released fully-realized so I've been thinking about how to word it.
345ba9 No.94
>>87>These broad concepts relate to people and how they relate to a very observable abstract structure."In this essay I will…"
>>Jung and structuralist shared a baseline thought that "[SIC] mythos was an innate way of understanding the world" and Jung tackled the individual and collective psychology of this while structuralism aimed to categorize and analyze the ways human pattern things.So every story is actually LINKED to Jung and "structuralist [sic]" because there are patterns and references to other things? Wow that tells me fucking NOTHING and I don't care at all.
>I've written about before. Maybe keep an open mind before seeing WORDS and instinctively going into flight-or-fightI haven't seen you write about this nearly as much as you have written about writing about it. Let me guess, this deep philosophical insight mostly exists inside your head and you can't elaborate on it in a way that doesn't sound like retarded gibberish?
>If it is, I won't bother to compose myself because it's going on deaf ears.>And obviously this post is written like shit because I'm fuming.You're having trouble expressing yourself because you have nothing substantial to say.
>>91Yeah this whole crashout definitely isn't some BPD defense mechanism. You are also a retarded narcissistic pseud.
8465f4 No.95
>>94>"In this essay I will…"Piss off. I told you it wasn't written like shit.
>So every story is actually LINKED to Jung and "structuralist [sic]" because there are patterns and references to other things? Wow that tells me fucking NOTHING and I don't care at all.Hu¢¢ie CALLED IT A MYTHOS, YOU DENSE RETARD.
>Let me guess, this deep philosophical insight mostly exists inside your head and you can't elaborate on it in a way that doesn't sound like retarded gibberish?Let me guess, you're an asshole?
>You're having trouble expressing yourself because you have nothing substantial to say.Cunt. I'm still writing it by the way.
>Yeah this whole crashout definitely isn't some BPD defense mechanism.Ooh, look at who's the intellectual now. That's not how anything works.
>You are also a retarded narcissistic pseud.Any other buzzwords you want to throw in there, dipshit?
345ba9 No.96
>>95>Hu¢¢ie CALLED IT A MYTHOS, YOU DENSE RETARD.Yeah it's an English word that people use, guessing you first heard it in "Jung explained in 5 minutes" on Youtube?
>Cunt. I'm still writing it by the way.Go ahead then. Maybe you have something interesting to point out but I'm not counting on it.
>Any other buzzwords you want to throw in there, dipshit?You very obviously have a personality disorder and I'm sure you're aware of this. Maybe try to show a bit more restraint and self-awareness for the sake of others?
8465f4 No.97
I will boil this down to the most basic level and have zero jargon.
Homestuck is a story, I should think, be about modern technology and children being forced to grow up too quickly. Alchemy is an important concept to this for a number of reasons. Alchemy represents multiple forms of change and in Jungian terms reflects the individual's self-discovery through contrast to the outside world and those both defining each other (already an element in Homestuck with its stable loops.)
In structuralism and Jung, it is understood that the mythos is an innate language. This, in my version of the story, would be SBurb and its "Mythological Roles" forcing itself onto children who aren't ready for its responsibilities and forcing itself to propagate. I think the inherent "metaphoric language" also relates to alchemy and all its relations in-game and the other languages utilized in various mechanics (I would distinguish them in ways so that the Kids could ultimately exploit them and overcome the larger structure of SBurb- say Fraymotifs, music, are understood to be structurally different than language- we can say that this is traditional alchemy- and they have overlapping though no identical functions.)
The utterance of structuralism is less about what ideas it brings to the table but more in reigning in the incredibly abstract ideas of alchemy and time travel to be understood within a structuralist framework (-just like there are vague connections to data structures- and to be distinct when you do so- so that they can be exploited by our human players.)
I can go into more detail if you like but I'm 90% sure you will just dismiss this as more faffing about.
8465f4 No.98
>>96>Yeah it's an English word that people use, guessing you first heard it in "Jung explained in 5 minutes" on Youtube?Ignoring connotations to be dismissive doesn't make you seem smart. It doesn't make me seem smart either. You just never went into this with good faith.
>Go ahead then. Maybe you have something interesting to point out but I'm not counting on it.Of course. Asshole.
>Maybe try to show a bit more restraint and self-awareness for the sake of others?Maybe stop being a cunt? Ever think about that?
8465f4 No.99
>>97Oh, wait, there was one (1) piece of jargon.
I can say more. But if you dismiss this, I will leave the board and never come back.
8465f4 No.102
>>101My emotions are already running high. If one of the regulars thinks that fucking lowly of me after I open up about "my reconstructive ideas" even just a little then I might as well not exist.
8465f4 No.104
>>103I said I would leave, retard. You going to ban me for leaving this board for drama that started on this board? Moron?
deccd4 No.105
>>104you’re just being annoying and making it clear that all the insults you’ve had for me since i got here were projection, which is not something i say lightly
8465f4 No.106
>>105Yeah, okay,
DERSITE.
345ba9 No.107
>>97>Alchemy represents multiple forms of change and in Jungian terms reflects the individual's self-discovery through contrast to the outside world and those both defining each other (already an element in Homestuck with its stable loops.)Who. Fucking. Cares?
Referencing Jung doesn't tell me anything relevant. I already know Homestuck is about children growing up and being forced to fill certain roles to create a universe. I don't need to know who Jung is to understand that. The only thing you've achieved is jerking yourself off.
>in my version of the storyUhhhh
DERSITE what? We were supposed to be talking about Homestuck, not you.
>I think the inherent "metaphoric language" also relates to alchemy and all its relations in-game and the other languages utilized in various mechanics (I would distinguish them in ways so that the Kids could ultimately exploit them and overcome the larger structure of SBurb- say Fraymotifs, music, are understood to be structurally different than language- we can say that this is traditional alchemy- and they have overlapping though no identical functions.) And?
GREEN "relates to" green because of her text colour. I don't care if you call elements of the story "languages" or "alchemy". It tells me nothing useful. You aren't using those labels to explain anything, you're just labeling them for the sake of it.
>The utterance of structuralism is less about what ideas it brings to the table but more in reigning in the incredibly abstract ideas of alchemy and time travel to be understood within a structuralist framework (-just like there are vague connections to data structures- and to be distinct when you do so- so that they can be exploited by our human players.)Time travel, data structures, and alchemy (assuming you mean the Alchemiter here not Jung's nonsense), are directly present in Homestuck's plot and setting, and are not especially vague or difficult to understand. There's nothing of substance you have used this philosophical framework to say that you couldn't say without it. In fact you're only introducing more abstraction and vagueness.
8465f4 No.108
>>107> I don't need to know who Jung is to understand that. The only thing you've achieved is jerking yourself off.You didn't understand what I said.
>Uhhhh DERSITE what? We were supposed to be talking about Homestuck, not you.This was always about a rewrite of Homestuck. Not it as written though there is some relevance.
>You aren't using those labels to explain anything, you're just labeling them for the sake of it.The point was to relate it to structuralism. They would use different structures in order to undermine the game.
>and are not especially vague or difficult to understand. I disagree.
>In fact you're only introducing more abstraction and vagueness.Abstraction, yes. Vagueness, no.
Okay, bye.
345ba9 No.109
An example of a non-masturbatory use of philosophy would be to describe a story within a particular philosophical frame, then use those concepts to explain how the story relates to real life.
But if there is no such connection, or if the analogy between the story and real life is already obvious without the need for philosophy, don't bother. This guy clearly has no worthwhile insight to express, anyway.
96aead No.110
>>108>Okay, bye.I was listening…
033bd8 No.111
>>108i would just like to say i think a lot of ur points are smart and correct and i think you should keep posting. your contribution and your self are valuable :3
79409d No.114
>>109An example of non-masturbatory philosophy would be this extremely limiting conception of its usages that I pulled out of my ass. Integrating it into the story itself is masturbatory for no provided reason and you shouldn't do it lol.
033bd8 No.120
>>119the underage part is neither here nor there but I always liked punk vriska… i thought she was cool…
033bd8 No.122
>>121im just saying i like the aesthetic okay!
besides hasn't she like mentally aged? i dont think you would say meenah is "underage" really for example.
50158b No.123
>>122hypnotic punk girls are factually hot
033bd8 No.125
>>124ohh ok
i genuinely didn't know that
wow thats sort of a little fucked up that meenah basically dated an underage girl. not gonna think about it too much
and also yeah as an aranea lover ur probably obsessed with a more librarian-goth aesthetic or something.
033bd8 No.128
>>126yes i read the comic!! i just didnt pay close attention to the ages!
but you are right wow i never really thought much about what meenah did but fuck she was kind of a huge asshole actually huh. damn.
and ive honestly never seen anyone in real life with the half shaven hair thing which makes me think its not that overused. i would think it was cool though!
50158b No.129
>>128the person who introduced me to Homestuck kiiind of had the half-shaven head thing, probably because of Homestuck, and it was very hot and i did have a crush on her
033bd8 No.130
>>129the person that introduced me to homestuck was/is also kind of a punky/gothy girl who is hot.
damn.
some kind of fucking pattern going on here. disturbing.
ee1efc No.131
Guys, timeplayer just jumped out of nowheen and asked me to inform posters
>>144 - Dream on, baby, dream>>163 - Noooooooooo! Don't even think about it!>>188 - lol, you homosexual. Why you gay?And then timeplayer jumped off of our timeline back in whatever his timeline is
8465f4 No.134
>>133To make the religious angle more understandable, John is obviously eating the Fruit of Knowledge, Rose is christening a ship- It's fucking Noah's arc for some reason. Dave's?
https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/667075/jewish/The-Egg-in-Exodus.htm “patience” (Hu¢¢ie's Formspring answer about the Entry items) which does not fit Dave but would fit the Bible (and is a general symbol of Christ)? Green breaks every rule; this is known. All have snake Denizens except Dave (because he is symbolically Christ who was never tempted) Defeating snake seems less important when it's no longer just John, the apple eater. Moreover, Rose seems to have the least importance to her out of the three; Rose and ships seemed to be a thing for Hu¢¢ie? Why? Who fucking cares?
*This is an image that explains Dave's inexplicable, incredibly understated ability to have his dreamself awake before the game and (hazily) simultaneously. Also, :egg!:
Synchronicity would be the previous session affecting the unpredictability within alchemy and enantiodromia being prototyping affecting the enemies. The Hero's Journey (observed by Jung's work as the quintessential struggle for the Hero archetype, to face the anima, and the unconscious and overcome it- "[They] are as a rule the legendary heroes of mankind, the very ones who are looked up to, loved, and worshipped, the true sons of God whose names perish not. … Their greatness has never lain in their abject submission to convention, but, on the contrary, in their deliverance from convention. They towered up like mountain peaks above the mass that still clung to its collective fears, its beliefs, laws, and systems, and boldly chose their own way" This is how I would define John- the classes would be slightly obfuscated rebrandings of Jungian archetypes and the aspects would simply be Gods that correlate to their element- and why I think Jester (Zanni) imagery was important to him early on.) as the most pure version of the "metaphorical language" would also be important to the story and its structure.
8465f4 No.135
>>133>>134God, I hate this site but I didn't want to download these photos. It sharts when I try to post screenshots but doesn't recognize them as duplicates.
8465f4 No.138
>>134>>136This conflates a lot of what I think was intentional symbology with what I think could be useful symbology like you did. If it sounds far-fetched, it's probably something I think is in the comic because Hu¢¢ie is an asshole like that.
If it's a broad conceptual pattern (Jacob's Latter or Perpetua), it's something that I think would have meaning in the ultimate narrative.
>>134*This is an image that explains Dave's inexplicable, incredibly understated ability to have his dreamself awake before the game and (hazily) simultaneously. Also,
Ugh, even this is a mess.I am mixed on how much of Jung Hu¢¢ie knew or what sources he had. I am 100% sure he had some vague musings about the subconscious always planned in the comic given dreamselves ("something something Dave's intuition is woven into the timeline" and "waking self" being a direct Freudism which seems like a strange warding to come to otherwise) so it's unclear if he read a bit or had a friend who was into it. Given how muddled and undermined it gets as the comic goes on, I'd ascertain it was the latter. Presumably, who could have been part of the real-life inspiration for Rose (even some of the trolls were based off real life people that we can directly point to: see, Gamzee. I would get more into that but they fucked up the Wiki)
The Biblical shit, as ostentatious and cluttered as it is, seems very deliberate since a huge bunch of Act 6 (and Epilogues) is dedicated to forcing allegories and shoving round pegs into square holes symbolically. I'm not someone who would say that Homestuck has strong roots in really any religious content despite the seeming perseverance of its presence. The Gnostic, Jainist, and Zoroastrian angles are mostly window-dressing and self-indulgence.
Now listen to these stupid AIs trying to understand my (and others') unorganized musings:
https://files.catbox.moe/epwhpu.ogg 8465f4 No.139
>>137I gave an ultimatum for MEX that I didn't think he'd actually comply with (
)
But if this doesn't convince Mr.
of at least my earnestness, then oh, well.
I was thinking of making my own pet board. MEX called it a "Three Kingdoms Approach."
> I would get more into that but they fucked up the WikiNo, but seriously, who runs this shit?
8465f4 No.140
>>138*wording
8465f4 No.141
>>137I feel like he's still going to say much the same things which will hurt my feelings again.
"uh why reference other things if the story is still vaguely about the same things"
8465f4 No.142
>>134>Synchronicity would be the previous session affecting the unpredictability within alchemy *Jung considered Western Zodiacs to be the ultimate form of synchronicity because it associated the chronology of the cosmos with the chronology of our Earth.
I have an inkling that this is what inspired Hu¢¢ie to conceive of the trolls as we know them to begin with but I wouldn't make a definitive statement on such a thing.
8465f4 No.143
And if you're really wondering about the relevance of any given thing, you could just ask me pointed questions instead of just "Fuck any of this."
e7f575 No.144
>>134>All have snake Denizens except Dave (because he is symbolically Christ who was never tempted) Timely…
96aead No.145
>>138>41 MINUTE slopcast
to be honest, I'm not sure using the AI's guesses as your starting point will appeal to your "audience", since it sounded like they really wanted you to approach with a fully-formulated explanation. it's a little hard to follow (at least without the same background as you). I can tell there are lots of ideas here though
8465f4 No.146
>>145It's basically worthless though it does allude to the criticisms not really found in the other images.
It leaves out important details though and of course, conflates things.
I would say there's one (1) key element that neither my commentary nor the AI makes apparent. The rest could be prodded but this I'd basically have to spell out because the AI skimmed over it so hard for "DAVE FIRE DISCOURSE"
8465f4 No.148
>>147I'm not sure how diligent I was with copying them all to my word document (and if I transferred them to the shorter one or felt they were more relevant to the larger one) so you might find something legitimately new from that.
I'm going to look through some keyterms real quick though.
8465f4 No.149
>>147>>148Probably not what you were thinking of but the Horrorterrors vs. Lord English as an ultimate actor for SBurb diatribe was there.
79409d No.150
>>148>>149I was thinking of one where you talked about the themes of Sburb as an imposing force, both on the universe and the kids.
I'll search for it later.
79409d No.151
>>134>Rose is christening a ship- It's fucking Noah's arc for some reasonHuh? I don't get what or why it's Noah's ark. Her house is?
Because it's raining when she enters?
8465f4 No.152
>>151>Huh? I don't get what That's how Hu¢¢ie described it on the Formsprings- as christening a ship. Her entry item is breaking a bottle.
>Because it's raining when she enters?The world is basically one big ocean. And there are rainbows. Bible 101: the arch of the rainbow was God's message to man that he'd never fuck them hard ever again.
The etymology of "sin" is essentially about arches, to "miss the mark" hence Equius, his complex, and his relationship to Lord English (a Satanic figure who has a rainbow arch on his cloak.)
This example is a good one for showing that Hu¢¢ie has the potential to make weird, eclectic references that don't matter much. Homestuck was not a one man operation. He had time to think and plan shit out and this is what he came up with. But like I said
>>138>I'm not someone who would say that Homestuck has strong roots in really any religious content despite the seeming perseverance of its presence.I think there was some strong Christianity in early Homestuck that more or less petered out into mindless self indulgence as the comic went on.
79409d No.153
>>152Yeah, I got the breaking bottle part, my brain somehow didn't make the connection between it and escaping the end of the world.
8465f4 No.154
>>133>>134>>135>>136>>138>>139I think part of the reason why the AI summary was borked was that I had repeated some passages accidentally so some stuff got brushed over and the AI thought "Well, the same exact thing was said twice so it has to be more important." I tidied that up now.
I think part of the reason why the AI summary was borked was that I had repeated some passages accidentally so some stuff got brushed over and the AI thought "Well, the same exact thing was said twice so it has to be more important." I tidied that up now.
8465f4 No.155
>>138Though this was me just testing the NotebookLM's servers, this new slopcast is a lot more useful (though not entirely) in summarizing things (me deleting two repeat paragraphs seemed to shave off 20 minutes for some reason.)
Obviously, it still sucks and gets stuck on shit that doesn't matter because I didn't edit my copy-paste of certain ideas to be more fitting for the aim of this more centralized document.
>Conflates Dave with GREEN in a specific part>Inexplicable fixation on the 90s thingVGH.